5085DL Firmware differences

I have just replaced a dead 5085DL with new one and have found differences in the indicator function in the new one.

The dead one had
Firmware 2.1.00
LCDM 2.0/2.0

the new one has
Firmware 3.0.00
LCDM 3.1/2.1

Now I am trying set the new one indictors to match all the older 5085DL that remain on the system and I can not. On the new one you permanetly have the the top four buttons alluminated. If you select a button the LED will bright up to the level you set in TK and when them time out I have set (10 sec) finishes then the top four buttons revert to the low level LED level.

I can not see how I can match the new to the old.

Regards,

Fleetz

 

It sounds like the "Nightlight - On User Keys" option is turned on in your new unit. It's on the Indicators tab in Toolkit.

When you replaced the unit, did you use the Reinstall feature of Toolkit?

 

Hi Newman,

Indeed you were correct. The funny thing is I set the night light to off and programmed the keypad, still happened. Went back into "Indicator" tab and the night light was checked!!! Unchecked it again sent to unit and database same thing.........did it the third time and it stuck.

Anyway I now have another anomally. I have 5085DL keypads with keys with loads on not extinguish when the key press activity times out. The key indicator stays on after the key activity has timed out, the key LED dims to whatever level you have programmed in the "scene and indicator" tab.

I have earlier keypads where if you have selected a load that key lights up to the key activity LED level, then when the key activity has timed out the key LED goes out. If you tap the page key it then highlight which loads are on until the key activity times out again.

I definitely have two different characteristic keypads. I have ajob where the two kepads exist and it seems impossible to get them to match using TK.

To summarise

Firmware 2.1.00 (On Key LEDS goes off after the key press activity times out)
LCDM 2.0/2.0


Firmware 3.0.00 (On Key LEDS stays on after the key press activity times out)
LCDM 3.1/2.1

Am I doing something?????? I can not see it if I am.

Regards,

Fleetz

 

If all of the indicators on the DLT extinguish after the activity timer expires then it means that either the screen and indicator brightness is set to 0%, or the group address that you've defined for controlling the brightness is currently off.

If the 4 keys controlling normal functions extinguish, but the page key remains lit, then you have the Nightlight on Page Key option selected.

 

Been flat out a project and only just coming up for air....more on this saga.

I have 5085DL on either side of a bed, one is running I can confirm one is running firmware 2.1.00 LCDM 2.0/2.0 the other is running Firmware 3.0.00
LCDM 3.1/2.1

Both are set to 2% "Screen and Indicator Brightness"
Both are set to 43% "Key Press Activity"
Both are set to 10 secs "Activity duration"
Both are set to "Fall back to First Page"
Both have no "Nightlight" have been set on any keys

Now if I select a load on the 2.1.00 version the key lights for the duration set which in this case is 10 seconds, the switch LED goes out as the LCD reverts to the 2%.

Now if I look over to the unit running 3.0.00, the switch with the same load is illuminated at the 2% level. It only goes out if the load is off.


The two versions firmwares are different. Any what is concerning is there is no way to configure them so they are the same.

I first noticed this on a batch of 5085DL's that I was programming up for the project I am currently working on.

I am convince the firmware is different in the operation I have detailed above.

Regards,

Fleetz

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation of what you're seeing. It's a real help. You are correct, there is a difference.

The fact that the 2.1.00 unit extinguishes it's key indicators when the brightness is set to 2% is actually a firmware bug, not a feature. They're supposed to remain on whenever the brightness is non-zero, unless night light options are selected. This is fixed in the 3.0.00 units.

You should be able to get identical behaviour between the two units, where the key indicators remain lit, by increasing your minimum brightness to 3%. Alternatively, you can turn on the 'Nightlight on Page Key' option which will extinguish all the key indicators except the page key.

If you remove the glass frame you'll probably also notice quite a difference between the two units. The DLT has had an internal facelift with a new screen with better contrast, now captured by a metal cage, and a brighter backlight.

If both DLT's are in the same room, I'd consider swapping one of the units with another one in the site somewhere, so the two units in the same room are the same.

 

Thanks Newman for clarify what the situation is and coming up with a work around. .. Now I know I am not going potty I will cancel my appointment with my Therapist!

Regards,

Fleetz

 

So given my units have a bug in the firmware can I get my units reprogrammed with 3.0.00??

Fleetz

 

The hardware is very different between 2.1.00 and 3.0.00. Both the LCD board and the C-Bus interface board are different. The main processor is different too, so the firmware is not compatible.

 

Just got back onto this. I have missed something I think. I want to be able to see which load is on after the key press activity duration expires. I am referring to the 2.1.00 DLT units. At the moment I can not get the blue button LED to stay on past the activity duration.

What am I missing?

Regards,

Fleetz

 

The indicator brightness needs to be set to greater than about 2%. This is set by specifying the level in the Scene and Indicator Brightness section of the Indicators tab of the UI.

If your indicator brightness is set to follow the level of a group address then this group needs to have a level of more than 2% too.