8 buttons, multiple GA's

Hiya,
I'm trying to get an 8 button (reflection range) key input to enable a PIR and turn on a GA at the same time. For example...

Button press = GA 1 (Hallway) + GA 2 (Hallway PIR enable)
PIR = GA 1 (Hallway)

The idea is that when the button is pressed the hallway lights come on and then the PIR takes over control untill the button is pressed a second time which disables the PIR and turns the lights off.

This is a piece of cake to program when its just a single button as I can use multiple blocks but in this instance I have 8 lighting zones that all need to do this function (no blocks left).

Scenes wouldnt help as I need the button to operate as on/off and I dont have a PAC or colour touchscreen (although there is a B&W touchscreen) to code any logic into the system.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Phil

 

A long shot.. but do the 8 lighting zones all HAVE to be controlled individually..? Perhaps there might be a couple that could be commoned together under a single group address? That'd free up a block..

 

Unfortunatly this is the way the button has been spec'd into the job.
I did find a way around it today but it has introduced another problem which I will start a new thread for.

Using Trigger Groups (TG), Action Selectors (AS), Scenes in the BW CTouch and Secondary Application in the 8 gang Reflection I was able to get the logic required without having to buy in a PACA.

I setup 2 Scenes in the BW CTouch per area as an ON and OFF pair and programmed in a Scene Trigger. The ON Scene is applied when the trigger is at 100% (or 255) and the OFF Scene is applied when the trigger is at 0% (or 0).

The 8 Button Reflection is then programmed to allow Secondary Application of the Trigger Control. The button is then programmed to the Secondary Application and the group is set to the same as what was used in the Scene Trigger. The button Function remains as On/Off.



hows this work?? ok try to follow this then.

When the button is pressed from the Off state it sets the Trigger Group to 100% and lights up the indicator.
The CTouch is always 'listening' to the Trigger Group so when it sees the correct group get to 100% it sets off the Scene.
When the button is then pressed a second time the Trigger Group returns to 0% and the CTouch 'hears' this and sets off the other Scene.

I'm sorry if this is rather obvious but it took me ages to work out that I can do this and now it seems like a handy feature.

 

The answer could be as simple as using the same GA for the PIR and enable function. The PIR wiil not disable itself when the GA goes off.
Hence the result is the key input turns on the light and the pir is enabled to work automatically.
If the GA is on and the key input turns the group OFF the light goes out and the PIR is disabled

 

Try the LOGIC

Have you thought about using the logic in relay. Set a dummy GA for the PIR and AND logic this with the channel.

Only downfall is that the PIR will need to be triggered prior to or after the press of the key input but that shouldnt be problem if it is in field of view of switch

If either the PIR or Key input is switched off load is off but the load will retrigger if the key input has not be turned off.

 

Well yes this works but then the indicator on the saturn button follows the GA as its controlled by the PIR. I'm pretty sure I tried this onsite and it wasnt working the way I wanted it to.

 

I agree with you.