Dimmer support for dimmable LEDs

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    Given that as far as the dimmer is concerned, it's still just driving a low voltage transformer, I don't see any reason it shouldn't work. The datasheet says the working voltage range is 3-18V, so it sounds like it's dimmable. There are a few caveats about transformer types (what are your existing transformers?).

    Perhaps give it a go on one channel and see how it goes.

    How much do these things cost? From the limited info on the datasheet, the efficiency doesn't look that great..120lm @ 6W = 20lm/W (not taking into account the transformer efficiency, which will reduce this), which isn't as good as you can get with a good halogen.

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    Yes... efficiency of LEDs is not as good as some people think.

    LED as linked above
    120 lumens @ 6W = 20 lm/W

    240V GU10 (and G9) Halogen
    820 lm @ 60W = 13.66 lm/W

    Normal 12V 50W Halogen + Electr Trans
    910 lm @ 54W = 16.85 lm/W

    IRC 12V 35W Halogen + Electr Trans
    900 lm @ 39W = 23.07 lm/W

    IRC 12V 50W Halogen + Electr Trans
    1250 lm @ 54W = 23.15 lm/W
     
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    probably the best value at the moment is :

    2 x IRC 12V 35W Halogen + 1 x Electr Trans
    1800 lm @ 74W = 24.32 lm/W
     
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    As I understand it, the halogens also run longer when operated at 80%-90% of full power and provide only 10%-5% less light.
     
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    At 95% you will double the life of the lamp.

    At 90% you will quadruple the life of the lamp.
     
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    With incandescents (which includes halogen), the general rule is 5% dimming = doubles the life

    But the light output drops off alarmingly

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    Here's some techy stuff from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb :

    Incandescent lamps are very sensitive to changes in the supply voltage. These characteristics are of great practical and economic importance. For a supply voltage V :

    Light output is approximately proportional to V ^ 3.4
    Power consumption is approximately proportional to V ^ 1.6
    Lifetime is approximately inversely proportional to V ^ 16
    Color temperature is approximately proportional to V ^ 0.42

    where the ^ symbol means "to the power of"

    This means that a 5% reduction in operating voltage will more than double the life of the bulb, at the expense of reducing its light output by about 20%. This may be a very acceptable trade off for a light bulb that is a difficult-to-access location (for example, traffic lights or fixtures hung from high ceilings). So-called "long-life" bulbs are simply bulbs that take advantage of this trade off.

    According to the relationships above (which are probably not accurate for such extreme departures from nominal ratings), operating a 100-watt, 1000-hour, 1700-lumen bulb at half voltage would extend its life to about 65,000,000 hours or over 7000 years ? while reducing light output to 160 lumens, about the equivalent of a normal 15 watt bulb
     
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    I wonder has anyone any experience with these?

    http://www.led1.de/shop/product_inf...0-p-727&cName=highpower-p4xre-led-spots-c-168

    Power: 230V (AC)
    Color: warm white (3200K)
    LED: Cree XR-E
    Brightness: 2500 lx (50 cm)
    Beam angle: 38?
    3 Watts

    I also expect that they cannot be dimmed.

    thanks
    Damian
     
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