Great Bus to AC device

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    nickrusanov

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    I've seen this device and felt that I want one for C-Bus badly:

    http://zennio.com/productos/climatizacion/klic-dd

    It's simple KNX Bus to standalone Daikin AC. It allows setpoint, fan speeds and other parameters be set from the bus

    Do you think it's gonna be real one day?=) Maybe not even Daikin
     
    nickrusanov, Jun 23, 2011
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    Easier A/C integration would be ideal.

    I would rather see the manufacturers add serial/ethernet interfaces as a default to their systems that way no special hardware is required. What happens when Daiken change their protocol? Who is responsible for the update to the interfacing hardware? It is best left to the manufacturer.

    Today, when power management is becoming more important to the average user, adding this type of conectivity is going to become more important, just a shame they can not see that yet.

    Mick
     
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    This has always been the problem with A/C.

    Around about 15% of the market (mainly large / commercial) uses 24V ac "RWG" standard, and this is what C-Bus thermostats can do. It all works by throwing relays and the thermostats do all the termperature sensing, run the PID control algorithms and so on.

    The rest of the market is totally fragmented. There is no standardisation at all, and most of the systems are either self contained or proprietary, or both. In this case the only way for controlling them is for the maker to provide an interface.

    The grand plan at the time of the design of the C-Bus Thermostat is that makers CAN take bus messages to put into a "Plant Controller" which will in turn drive their specific equipment. The bus messages are all there, it's all defined, it's even all published and available for free. What it means is that a new hardware device sits on C-Bus, reads the messages in application $AC, and uses them to drive the plant (ie the heavy equipment) INSTEAD of using a C-Bus Relay unit.

    The technology is all there sitting waiting to be exploited - it just needs a few makers or keen users of A/C equipment to develop the interface brick. Don't expect Clipsal to do this, the A/C market is so fragmented, and so varied in world markets, that there would need to be something like 10 or 20 products developed (in an ever changing field) in order to cover something like about another 30% to 40% of the A/C market. (I can see that a clever C-Bus plant control message to Infra-Red blaster might actually be the one really big thing in the whole picture).

    But it really needs a bit of pressure brought to bear on your A/C makers - stir them up and demand that they do it. All the information and technical help is sitting there waiting for them to pick it up.
     
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    I think Clipsal would benefit alot if developed one good interface for one AC vendor (like Daikin) and then say - use Daikin (models 1-2-3..) it if you want C-Bus control. Just one small device (or even one Pascal module)

    Smart-Home integrator is usually asked by client - "which equipment should I use?"

    C-Bus integrator would say - "Daikin" (or Samsung with IP interface or other) and be happy

    Now C-Bus integrator says - "we have thermostat, but it can control big fancoil units and you would not use it at home at all

    we can control AC using IR, but we cannot tell for sure if it will work and you cannot be sure command has passed

    we can control using PAC and Coolmaster, but you'll have to use big VRV system and you also cannot tell if it will work until you try"
     
    nickrusanov, Jun 30, 2011
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