iPad App

Based on the look of the new TPG (Sept 11) it would seem that Clipsal do indeed know what an IPAD is and that it can do But we are still waiting for an update on the IPAD app for Wiser, so posting this in hope more than anything else.

Update?

 

I'd also be very keen on seeing this!

 

I receive AMX newsletters with tons of new items and apps every month. Same KNX

And here we wait for 2 years for a simplest ipad app, which my neighbour could do for a 5 hours

Same goes for Android app. Guys if you released it 5 month ago in the way you had it, maybe with some bugs - it would be great and move you forward greatly. If you release it today - it'd be fine, but won't give you any competitive advantage. If you release it early next year as I think you plan - sorry, market is gonna be far ahead.

Maybe answer will be "we're focused now on other great product, so we do not want to send a raw product on a market". Hope it's true, but now I see a company, which did not do anything new for more than a year. On today's market, when you get new and interesting things every day from many competitors - client does not wait, he goes away from us

 

Hi Nick, could I get your neighbour's resume, I think Clipsal should hire him asap.

On a serious note, your feedback is valued. I have passed it on to people here.

 

Seriously? Why don't you get him to do it then. Oh wait, thats right because it doesn't take 5 hours and you obviously haven't done any programming with these devices.

The Touchsoft CNI app is simpler (from a function point of view) and it took an awful lot longer than that I can assure you

Do you have any idea in whats involved in writing one of those either? I doubt it otherwise you wouldn't be making these statements.

Android development time is up to 3 times longer due to the godawful way it's setup.

Also if according to you if they release it today, they will have no competitive advantage, then why on earth would they bother releasing it at all?

Michael

 

'cause he's not working for free

the idea of wiser is that it already does everything that Touchsoft CNI App does by itself. wiser client just visualises .xml files and does not give you the ability to edit anything other that wiser IP address. it's a lot simpler that Touchsoft CNI app.

and we wait just an update from iphone version to ipad version, not a new app.

the beta version of Android app i've tested 4 months ago was pretty nice to publish

just to remove competitive disadvantage =)

 

And if you paid him I'd bet you any sum you like he couldn't do it in 5 hours.

This is true to a degree, the Touchsoft one has a small web server, local database management, plush the actual cbus engine stuff, but I think you'll find the wiser app is still doing more than that, if you don't have Flash to render your stuff you have to build your own rendering engine and you still have to fire back messages to tell it to turn on/off, dim to 30% etc. The only part thats really removed is the editing function and the actual CBUS code.

Yes, granted that should use much of the same code, but once again if you're making your own "engine" to render the view you'd have to rewrite it all to suit the bigger display, not incredibly hard I grant you, but not a 5 hour job either.

You mean you installed it and had a play? I'm not talking about how well it works at the other end, I'm talking about how much of a P.O.S. Android is to program when compared with Objective C.

Its like going from a BMW to a Trabant. They're both cars, but they ain't the same.

 

mmd you can bring a lot of arguments. but I have tens of projects of my clients which they had to make using KNX or HDL or AMX equipment instead of C-Bus.

just because they show client high quality ipad control, which they have for more than a year now. maybe they do not know haw hard it is to make a good ipad app?

 

I wouldn't describe them as arguments, but rather valid points in a discussion (and yes thats a genuine difference not just me being facetious).

I agree Clipsal should have the resources to create an Ipad version, what I was objecting to was your assertion of how easy things are to program. As someone who has programmed all of the devices mentioned I was merely pointing out that your 5 hour statement was flippant at best.

People say the same thing when they request updates from me, "So and so has done an update, why haven't you etc". AMX used to charge $15,000 AUD just for a 15" touchscreen, no control, no programming. I don't think we are talking about the same markets.

 

http://www.raywenderlich.com/1111/how-to-port-an-iphone-application-to-the-ipad

looks like less than 5 hours to me. It's all about resizing tables and images.

thinking about this point I would imagine AMX to be the last company to do an iPad software - because they make a competition to their panels. And Clipsal does not have any wireless touchpanel - perfect argument to create a great ipad app.

also a would point you here if you really think that Clipsal panels are less profitable than AMX:

http://www.cbus-shop.com/product_info.php?cPath=161_31_133&products_id=793

http://www.avsuperstore.com/moreinfo.cfm/AMX/MVP-5100

 

Wow... just wow.. no, thats not even close. You can't compare one really basic screen thats using built in functions to porting a full app. The UISPlitView is one of the most restrictive useless things that the Apple Api has spat out. The UInavigation controller doesn't exist on the ipad which requires a lot of recoding regarding how different parts of the program talk to each other etc.

Its not like its an impossible task or anything, but its not actually as simple as just changing some screen layouts.

Sure, Amx (and everyone else) knows they can't beat them, so they're joining them. I do agree with you Clipsal should do it.

 

I think maybe this is getting a bit OT?

As a customer, I just want the damn App! Its been under development with no ETA since May, so if its coming, great, if not, then I'd appreciate if someone could let me know and I'll investigate alternative technologies...

I think that is really what this thread is all about..?

 

+1 for the Ipad app

 

I don't understand what the issue is.........

I have had this on my iPad for months!!!! (see photos)

Just added the 5504CMU power management widget that you can see.














Just Kidding - This was using Splashtop Remote....................but it's what it should look like!!

all the best,

Brad

 

While you're all waiting for the Native iPad App

Hi All,

Not sure if someone has described this approach before so apologies if they have and I just couldn't find it!

On a slow Friday (today 9-12-11) trying to fix a camera problem with Wiser, I became bored and distracted.

So I moved onto something to amuse me a bit during my lunch break.

Started looking for a Flash emulating browser for iPad (most only seem to do video).

I now have the Wiser Flash UI running perfectly on my iPad, FOR REAL. Not just joking like the pictures I did above. Bit slow but fully functional, so to speak.

Download the Photon Flash Web Browser (version was 1.7) from the app store.

You need your Wiser to have a WAN interface configured through your firewall (as local addresses 192.168.x.x didn't work). Make sure you have the Wiser's remote port port mapped through your firewall and that your normal Wiser remote access works to confirm connectivity before trying this.

Next, I just put the URL into the Proton Web Browser in the form http://admin:[email protected]:PORT/clipsal/resources/wiserui.html
(that is 'admin[email protected]ORT/clipsal/resources/wiserui.html' URL untruncated).

where 'password' is Wiser's and 'A.B.C.D' is the WAN's external IP address and 'PORT' is the Wiser Remote Port. Click on the lightning bolt symbol to connect the Flash application from the URL. The Flash is processed in the cloud.

It took a short while to login, and I had to change the Flash port to Alternate to get it going reliably, but otherwise, up came the normal Full screen PC Wiser screen (Flash UI looking) and apart from being a little slower than normal, was fully functional and you could turn lights on and off etc.

So there you go. Merry Christmas from me, you have a Wiser iPad app!!

All the best to everyone for the holidays,

Brad