Hi everybody, I have recently adopted a factory site with c bus original install was in '01', the installation is 6 networks deep, spread accross the office area factory floor security house. It uses 1 x 4 key switch to turn the factory floor on with LLS turning highbays off when the lux target is reached. I have been around c bus for a couple of years now and completely understand how it works, its the fact that the Group address are different to the field, being that there is some logic on the job. Here's the fun part the install has intergrated concept panel and clipsal, from what i have been told concept panel only turns on group address and runs schedules, so im guessing the logic is in the minder which also controls A/C accorrding to the as builts. My question to you all is there anyway to access the minder to see what its doing? and possibly get the programing so i can install a pac controller, is it complicated cant it still be done, im guessing theres software for it somewhere? I understand minder is discontinued and was before I got into c bus so I directing the question at more senior members who have proberly had the minder experience, If no one can help would tech support be anygood? Would really appericiate some advice on the matter.