"Multiple" Problem

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    C-Leung

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    I have a problem in programming C-Bus switches when using the "Multiple" Control

    For example, I programmed key 8 as multiple control for key 1-7 in some C-Bus switches

    But I found there are two types of control in those switches

    For "proper" switch, all keys (1-7) would be on even in on/off state when pressing key 8 (multiple)

    For "improper" switch, key 1-7 would change to opposite statewhen pressing key 8 (multiple)
    i.e. if key 1 = on before pressing on key 8, after pressing on key 8, key 1 =off

    I don't know the reason causing this
    Do anybody know what is the problem?

    Below is the captures of the "improper" switch programming windows, if needed

    Thanks for your help!
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    The commands that you are sending out are 'toggle' commands, not 'on' then 'off'. So it only toggles it from it's current state.

    Example:
    Key 1 controls 'light 1'
    Key 2 controls 'light 2'
    Key 8 contols 'light 1' & 'light 2'

    then if 'light 1' is ON and 'light 2' is OFF and you press key 8, the result will =

    'light 1' will turn OFF and 'light 2' will turn ON

    Other lighting systems don't operate in this way and maybe it's something that Clipsal need to look at, but it has always been that way.

    The only other ways to control the way you want is to setup Key 8 as short press = 'ON' / long press = 'OFF', or you could use a Clipsal product that has logic ie a PAC or Colour Touch Screen.
     
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    Actually Peter thats only partly the case.

    On cbus for lighting there are only 3 commands: ON, OFF and RAMP.

    If you set a single button to control several groups (each group allocated to a block), then each block (and thus group) has its own state, and a toggle command from a button will make the blocks (and hence the groups) change state from on to off or vice versa.

    Now in this case its possible for some of the blocks (and thus groups) to be ON and some to be OFF, and you get the flipping about that Peter describes.

    Key units built after about November 2005 (ROUGHLY) have a synchroniser function which look over the blocks (and thus groups) controlled by a single button, and bring them all into step, thus removing the effect Peter describes.

    The only exception is the 2000 series switches which are running older firmware.

    Neo, Saturn and Reflection switches sorted this out about 18 months ago.
     
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    But in fact i also use Toggle command in "propper" switch
    And unfounately i found that the only different between the "proper" and "improper" switch is the firmware version

    The firmware version "proper" switch is 1.6.00 or 1.7.00 while "improper" switch is 1.4.0
    May it be the reason?
    If yes, can i update the firmware version of those switches?
     
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    There were a couple of issues in firmware 1.4.0 relating to multiple block assignment and, as Ashleigh says, only Neo/Saturn/Reflection key units with firmware 1.6.00 or newer have the toggle synchronisation.

    The firmware is not updateable in the field. You'll have to discuss this with the Clipsal sales representative where you live.
     
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    o....
    Thanks for your help~
     
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