Multiple Trigger Group Selection

Hi guys,

Not sure if this thread should be in the C-Bus hardware section?

Anyway, when programming a "Scene Function" within a Reflection switch that resides on the lighting application I can only choose one trigger group for all keys on the input unit.

Example -

Key 1 - Under function I select <scene> I then click on the icon to the right of this drop down box (Edit the details for this function).
It displays the "Define a Scene Key" window. I click the drop down box for the trigger group and select my desired GA and click OK.

I then do exactly the same thing to another button on the same input unit, but this time I select a different GA, this then changes my Key 1 Trigger GA.

Is there any way of being able to select multiple "Trigger Group" GA's within the same input unit.

Bearing in mind that my scenes reside in Schedule Plus (and need to stay there) and that I need to have my triggers in the "Trigger Control" application and my input units need to remain under the "Lighting" application.

 

No, no way. Sorry.

 

The Trigger Group that is used by a unit is a global setting for the unit. To remotely trigger multiple Scenes from a single input unit you need to use different Action Selectors within the same Trigger Group.

 

In our case using different Action Selectors within the same trigger will not work.

And Duncan, it was just the "N" bit of NO that I didn't understand. Don't you want any more hours at work???

 

What is your application? I am curious as to why you would need two trigger groups. perhaps there is a devious way out with the existing hardware limitations?

otherwise.. wireless can probably do what you want!

 

Don,

The reason for having two trigger groups -

On a modified 8 (only 6 buttons) gang reflection switch we have Blinds on the left & Shutters on the right - both have Up, Stop & Down.

Each Blind / Shutter / Curtain has it's own GA with multiple action selectors (triggers - Up, Stop, Down & Off). Therefore I need to select 2 GA's, one for the 3 left buttons and one for the 3 right buttons.

Wireless is not an option.

 

My old way of doing this was to use dummy address under "lighting" instead of "control". Store your scene in switch rather than remote hardware. Including in the scene, set values for Up, stop,down functions as well as a value for your dummy address A/B (Say, 101=curtain A staus; 102= blind B Status). The value of this dummy address can tell your system about the status of the curtain/blind (when you control the curtain/blind using the switch) and you can program your hardware/software to act accordingly. It is one way communiction so you need to store the scene again in other units/software because the switch can't be remotely triggered. But at lease the switch is functioning properly.

 

Wanricky,

1. The GA's need to stay in the "Trigger Control" application for a couple of reasons - a. we don't have enough group addresses left in the "Lighting" application & b. through extensive testing we found for some reason the "lighting" and any other application (other than trigger control) was too slow too respond.

2. The scenes reside is Schedule + & need to stay that way as they are accessed via a third party PC. Also, in most locations there are multiple switches that control the same blinds / shutters and the LED's need to follow each other.

Thanks for your input.

 

I thought all the code has the same bit length, but anyway there are always funny things in big projects.

Normally I just have the dupicated scene stored in all the switch, PC, Touch screen just in case one of them is not functioning. But for a big network as yours, there my be problem when the same action command was sent a few times with delays. As for the LED issue, we would have thought the curtain itself is a big indicator

But now NickD's solution should work. Set the switch's application to "Trigger", Use two Trigger GA for the curtain control (preset 1 (100%)=UP, Off=Stop, Preset 2 (50%)= Down) and then use 6 dummy GA for the six indicators. As long as your switches are purely for curtain/blind, that sounds ok, right?

 

Nick,

This would not work either -

If the scenario was blinds = keys 1,3,5 AND shutters = keys 2,4,6 (and my action selectors were the same value as the keys i.e. key 1 = 1 and so on)
If I wanted to operate the blinds and the shutters at the same time I would loose my LED status because I have changed the level value for that GA.

This brings me to my next point, if I did change the application of the input unit to "Trigger Control", set the function to "Scene" for the keys 1,3,5 (blinds) and simply choose the required (shutter) GA for keys 2,4,6 and set the function to "Preset 1", I can then only choose (as NickD correctly points out) my levels as percentages - not as decimal as I have set up. As 1 & 3 decimal are NOT represented as percentages I have to go through and re-align all my action selectors.

Can we have a choice on the "Recall" levels? Decimal and or percentages?

Also, if I want to change my action selector from say 3 dec to align it with a percentage I have to delete it and then create a new one. The same applies to existing GA tags. In V2 project manager I could simply find my tag and select a new GA.

Can this be changed?