PAC Scenes

Hi Guys,

I just moved into my new house on Friday and just like in Jurassic Park; the glitch list is getting a bit wild. I have a PAC in my CBUS network but it has not being programmed to do anything so far. I have my scenes stored locally on the Saturn Keypads, and during the installtion and basic configuations all this works pretty well.

However, After just two nights we have hit the limites of the scenes in the Saturn in terms of numbers of channels per scene. The living/sitting/kitchen/dining area are all sharing a semi open plan area, and there are 15 dimmer channels used in these areas alone, and i can get a maximum of 8 channels on the saturn embeded scenes.

So, looking at PICED and the Scene Editor, It looks like i can get MANY [100]more channels into a scene. But i am not making any progress with this tool.

I have 3 Tab's:
Scene Trigger
Network: Local Network
Application: Trigger Control
Group Address: <Unused>
Action Selector: OFF

Scene Components
Network: Local Network
All Networks: unticked
Application: Trigger Control
All Application: unticked
Scene Components, with a selection of buttons.

(After adding the 10 channels I need to the scene, I click Capture, Set Scene, etc and I get no level information etc, Live Changes also does not appear to have any effect)

Sliders
Lists the Scene Name and Level, with Live Changes ticked, has no effect on the channel.


When I get this working, how can I instuct the Saturn to use this scene?

Im sorry if these are obvious questions and if i should have read a doucment to get more answers before posting, but if that is the case i would be also very appericated if a like to a good relevant doucment would be shared. I have not had the time lately to do the normal research due to all the fun of getting a new build ready for living in, and moving in.

kind regards
Damian

 

Damian, have you selected "Options > Connect To C-Bus" ??

I can't help you with programming the saturns, as I only have standard keypads on my network, and use trigger groups to trigger my scenes.

 

Well,

I would have just hit reply with a Yes, to that question, but; I decided to double check and yes the stupid irish man did not connect to the network, Thank you.

Now i have a scene with 10 channels / Groups created and saved in the PAC, but I still anit got a clue how to trigger this from a keypad?

cheers

 

You need to set the trigger and action selector.

Scene Trigger
Network: Local Network
Application: Lighting
Group Address: Lounge Room Trigger
Action Selector: ON

Make sure you set this up with toolkit closed.

Now open toolkit and in your saturn assign a button to the GA 'Lounge Room Trigger'.

 

Guys,

Thanks so much for all the help. My Inital issue was that i was not actually connected to the CBUS, so was unable to get back current levels, or do live adjustments. Once the obvious was pointed out, I was able to create 2 or 3 scenes and store them on the PAC.

So - On to the triggering.

PICED

Using the PICED tool [and connected to C-BUS], I opened the Scenes tool, and brought back-up a dilagoue for one of the scences, where I was once again presented with the 3 tabs for configuration. I then made the following changes on the Scene Trigger tab.

Network : Local Netwok
Application: Lighting
Group Address: Clicked on the 'plus' icon, and selected an unused Group number [eg 101], and set a Description 'LR Sitting Scene'
Level: On

My Assumption on 'Level' is that all the settings in the group will change to their respective levels and not a % of thier values; If I set level to 50%; then all the lights in the secene would light to 50% of what I have set as thier respective values.

I clicked on OK, and closed the Dialogue, and was greeted with a Warning, that 'Triggering a scene on the Lighting Application may cause it to be activated by other scenes and cause circular scene triggering; I think we can safely ignore this, but its just a reminder that we could have easily added our new Group Address - 101 - LR Sitting Scene, as a setting in another scene, which would start a cascade approach. Anyhow, no issue yet as this is the first scene.

Finally, Clicked OK to close the scene Manager. Then went to the Transfer menu, and selected Transfer Project to Unit... which displayed the Transfer to Unit dialogue

Selected Transfer Current Project and Set Unit Time to PC Time and Clicked on OK; [Monitor Version 1.4, Firmware Version = 3.13.0]. The system then confirmed transfer complete and I finally closed the PICED utility

Toolkit

Launced the Toolkit, Expanded and connected to my Network, and selected the Units branch of the tree.

I then located a Key Swith in the Database, [Saturn 6 Key], and double clicked to display the Dialogue for the KEYB6 settings.

I selected a Key 5 Function and set it to Scene and assigned the Scene as Scene 8 which is a Blank Scene.
Next, I clicked on the icon to the right of the Scene which pop's up a new dialogue, Define a Scene Key
I am then offered:
Trigger Group: <Unused>; my new Group from PICED is NOT Listed
Scene: Scene 8
Ramp Rate: 8 Seconds
Trigger Group Action Selector: <Unassigned>, and no other options available.


I have messed up somewhere in this. Checking the Groups in Toolkit, I can see the LR Sitting Scene as Group 100 which we created in PICED, but Set Group On, or OFF has no effect, while If i set group on or off for a light that will light as expected.

???
Damian

 

Think of this more along the lines of "When 'LR Sitting Scene' is equal to ON (Level) then the scene is triggered (ie lights go to the value you set in the scene tab)"
or if you set Level to 50%
"When 'LR Sitting Scene' is equal to 50%(Level) then the scene is triggered (ie lights go to the value you set in the scene tab)"
Note though that this could happen on a Ramp Up or Ramp Down.

Ok. Instead of setting your button as a 'Scene' set it to On/Off and select your 'LR Sitting Scene' GA from the drop down box.
The reason you could not see it is because you have put your scene trigger on the lighting application rather then the trigger application.

 

Hmm, Still no go on that idea also...

 

Too tired to read the whole thread - getting old, however, have a look at this thread http://www.cbusforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3181&highlight=action+selector
Hope it helps

 

thanks - ill give that a bash.

 

Right Oh,

It took a while but i got it going. thanks for all the support.

I will write a process Doc for other newbies to follow; as its a wee bit tricky to get the mind around initially.