Relay needed to control alarm

tobex · Mar 25, 2007

Phil.H said:

Good one BSS...
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Ye of little faith.

BSS · Mar 25, 2007

tobex said:

I recall one episode where an alarm expert enjoyed himself for 8 hours, billed for 9 and did 2 hours work. He was not doing it for himself in his own time at all.
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I wouldn't say he acted very ethically and certainly wasn't doing his customer any favours or himself in the long run.

tobex · Mar 25, 2007

BSS said:

I wouldn't say he acted very ethically and certainly wasn't doing his customer any favours or himself in the long run.
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Just to add injury to insult, he took the wire pairs book for a house that had over 4000 wires (including lan).

That same clown had some very serious c-bus customers. He must have set back the brand about a decade.

Phil.H · Mar 26, 2007

tobex said:

To be honest ... as I live in Sydney I find that the market is full of nutters. As soon as I say "challenger" all I hear are crickets and owls. The few people I do find are way overpriced only because of the brand.

There is a disease in Sydney called "smart-home price". As soon as people ask for C-bus the average installer goes KA-CHING and bumps the price of the modules 100% over RRP. This has given C-bus some kind of reputation that only the wealthy can afford it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. You can squeeze far more out of C-bus without adding expensive add-ons unless the person can justify the cost or the size of the project.

Most of my clients are part of the whole setup process and for what it's worth, once the lights work, most of them lose interest in the extras. Much like yourself I inherit a lot of abortions. That means the lighting groups are all ganged together and not split into scene groups.

Working on the basis that simpler is better I dont feel obligated to follow the gadget rule if basic alarm and c-bus coding can do it 90% of the time, where the other 10% is not considered to defeat the goal but simply a luxury most people can live without.

As you are well aware, there are only so many mansions to fit c-bus into. Once all those are done it will come back to having basic skills and simple solutions.

When it comes to complications I dont know many clients that can afford or justify the extras given that, as stated, I walk into a mess on any given project and try to make sense of it.

If the plan is to do a small scale domestic project from scratch then every dollar counts. How anyone can afford all the technology when it isnt needed is obviously an artform of selling which I prefer to not associate with.

I hope you continue to "know the stuff better than anyone".
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Tobex, you make some very good points there. I am sure you will always be busy with that simple and sound approach. Going back to the original point I do think the PAC (with what it brings to a project where there is C-Bus and a good security install) is justified in many cases. You get that extra 10-15% in terms of feature for not much more $. I do agree it does all add up and not everyone has money to burn.

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