Shutter Control through Multisensor Remote

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how can I control the shutters up,down and stop using multisensor remote 5088TX.The change over relay we are using is L5504RVFCP, Toolkit version 1.11.1 and PICED 4.8.3.
There are 10 shutters,for which in the touchscreen i created 2 scenes,one for shutters up and the other for shutters down and gave it 2 trigger control groups.
These trigger control groups was then given to a multisensor.I gave the key function as timer and gave it an expiry time of 30secs. My problem is the change over relay channels does not turn off after this 30secs.Also,i am not able to stop the shutters at a particular level using the remotes.
Kindly,suggest me a solution anyone...

 

Some of what you want to do is possible, and some of it will depend upon how the relay units are controlling the motors. Since you have not stated how the motors are wired to the change-over relay units, I will make the following assumptions. Please correct them if they are wrong.

• The change-over relays are directly switching the power going to the blinds, i.e. they are not dry contact inputs to a 3rd-party controller.
• Each motor is connected to a single change-over relay channel, using both the up and down relay outputs.
• This was installed some time ago, as if you were doing it any time in the last couple of years you'd use Shutter Relay units, not the change-over relay unit.
• Each relay channel/motor has it's own unique group address.
• The Multisensor is already being used for motion sensing functions.

Assuming the above is true, you need to do the following:

1) In PICED configure your two Scenes in the touchscreen, one for Open and one for Close, so that they use the same Trigger Group but unique Action Selectors. The Multisensor can only use a single Trigger Group when remotely triggering Scenes.

2) On an unused Virtual Key in the Multisensor, e.g. key 5, select the function to be Scene. Make sure that the Scene number for that key references an empty Scene.

3) Click the icon adjacent to the Function drop-down box to bring up the 'Define a Scene Key' window. On this window select the Trigger Group that matches the one you've assigned to the two shutter scenes. Choose the Action Selector that corresponds with the one you assigned in Step 1 for the shutters to open.

4) Repeat steps 2 and 3 for another unused key, e.g. key 6, except this time choose the Action Selector that corresponds with the one you assigned in Step 1 for the shutters to close.

5) On the Global tab make sure the Clipsal remote is enabled and set to bank AB.

6) Check the slide switch in the back of the 5888TXBA and make sure it's in the AB position.

If my assumptions above are correct then the steps above will enable you to open and close your shutters by pressing buttons 5 and 6 on the Infrared remote.

You mention that you have a problem with the relays not turning off after 30 seconds. If the relays are wired to the motors where the open and close wires are connected to the NO and NC contacts of the change-over relay then turning the relay off after 30 seconds would cause the shutters to close.

If my assumptions regarding wiring are correct, then you will not be able to stop the motors at part-positions. You will need to run the mains supply to the motor through an additional relay channel, which is pulsed on as part of the existing scenes. Only then would you be able to stop the shutters at part-positions.

 

Shutter control through remote

Thank you so much for the response.I have attached here the schematic wiring diagram, showing how the change over relay, L5504RVFCP, is connected on site.
Most of your assumptions are right :
1) the change over relays are directly switching the power of the blinds.
2) We are using the 4 channel change over relays.
3) Each shutter uses 2 channels of the COR, one for UP & other for DW. Both these channels has its own unique group address.
4) Multisensor is already being used for motion sensing functions.

Now, when i am going to do it as you said, i wanted to clarify a few things,
1) The 2 scenes that I create will have different scene components but the same trigger group and different levels(action selector).
2) I wii give a 'ramp rate 30sec' on the 'define a scene key window' that will turn off the COR channel after 30 sec?

It would be kind enough if you could take a look at the attached wiring diagram of COR.

 

OK, the main difference between what I assumed and what you have there is that you're using 2 channels of the change-over relay per shutter. This is good as it means that the up/down lines cannot be powered at the same time and also means that you can stop the blinds in any position.

I would include all the same groups in both scenes. The only difference between the scenes will be the levels of the different groups. This will ensure that all the relays are in the correct position, even if the motors are already running in the wrong direction. Same Trigger Group for both Scenes but different Action Selectors.

No, this will not have any effect because the Scenes are stored in the Touchscreen, not the Multisensor. When you create the Scenes in the Touchscreen you need to configure the groups that are turned on so that they are pulsed On for 30 seconds, with a final level of Off.

With the wiring configuration you have there you can configure a 3rd Scene so that it stops the blinds in any position. Again use the same list of Group Addresses and the sameTrigger Group for this 3rd Scene but give it a unique Action Selector. As before, assign this to another Virtual Key in the Multisensor, e.g. Key 7.

With all of this set up you should be able to press button 5 on the IR Remote to open the shutters, button 6 to close the shutters and button 7 to stop them at their current position.

If you get all this working nicely you can potentially add some extra smarts, such as a button that opens them by 20% on each button press... but get the basics working first.

 

Just adding my 5 cents worth after many shutter installs.
I have found in practice that people need / want.
1: an action that fully open/close the blinds/shutters, like in goodbye and home scenes.
2: an action that moves the blinds while they are pressing the button
3: stop is by pressing a stop button or by taking finger off up/down button.


Dave

 

Shutter Control

I got your point but I am confused with one thing.
We have programmed the UP and DOWN with unique group addresses.So, is it possible to create both scenes with same groups.
I think I should make 2 scenes with different groups of UP and DOWN respectively.

 

You can do it the way you suggest, and it will work, but, based on your wiring diagram, you will get unexpected behaviour if the shutters are moving in one direction and you press the button for the opposite direction.

To solve this problem, put all the Group Addresses in both Scenes. In the Up scene, set the Up Group Addresses to On (pulsed) and the Down Group Addresses to Off. For the Down scene set the Down Group Addresses to On (pulsed) and the Up Group Addresses to Off.

By doing it this way, you will guarantee that the other relay channel for that particular motor is in the correct position to ensure that the motor gets power. This means that whenever the user presses the button on the remote, the shutter will move in the correct direction, even if the shutters were already in motion in the wrong direction.