Trigger Scenes remotely

Some of the forum threads suggest/imply that scenes from a touchscreen (maybe NEO too) can be triggered remotely from other input units.

Is there any documentation that explains this in details, or is the someone who could try explain this?

 

Josh

C-Touch, Neo, Saturn, Reflection and DLT are all capable of having their Scenes triggered remotely.

The remote triggering events occur on an application $CA so the device you use to remotely trigger the Scene needs to be on Application $CA. There are 255 Trigger Groups on this application and each Trigger Group contains 255 Action Selectors.

When the C-Touch, Neo, Saturn, Reflection or DLT unit is programmed you can assign a Trigger Group and Action Selector for a Scene (bet you were wondering what those fields were for in Toolkit eh?) When a unit sees a matching Trigger Group/Action Selector that corresponds to one of it's Scenes then the Scene will then happen.

So, the command that needs to be sent looks something like this:
Application $CA -> Trigger Group -> Action Selector
And this is equivalent to
Application $38 -> Group Address -> Level

So, if you put a key unit on Application $CD and set a key to recall to 100% on Group $43 then this would be equivalent to Action Selector $FF (255) on Trigger Group $43.

This is covered on the C-Bus Training courses, which I highly recommend.

 

Try this

Have a look on the CIS web site literature, training manuals:

http://www.clipsal.com/cis/pdf_files/1036426_Scene_Programming_Quick_Start_Guide.pdf

this should get you on the right track

 

Does this mean that the input unit (to be used for remote triggering) cannot be used for controlling normal lighting as well (e.g one key to remote trigger the rest of the keys on/off on GA).

 

Yes, where are they?

 

From Toolkit, open up a Neo/DLT Saturn switch.. from the "Function" Drop Down for any key Select "Scene" a little button will appear to the right of the Drop Down with 3 little dots on it.. click this.

 

Yes, that is correct.

 

Newman

That seems to be an unfortunate restriction. C-Touch scenes can be triggered by the lighting application.Why not withe the newer products ?

 

I agreee! I sure hope this can be changed in the future to allow other applications to trigger scenes on these units. It doesn't directly affect me as I use my C-Touch as a "scene repository" (plus a few more complicated ones using minder, time of day and home/away dependent).
Regards,
Michael.

 

Homegate also allows you a flexible choice in your scene trigger application!

 

Ah... the old PC Developer V Embedded Programmer debate.

Well let me throw another one in, Hardware Engineer... Now that takes skill!

 

Ashleigh


You seem to have misunderstood my comment. I am happy with the way C-Touch does it even if the error message is anoying. As I understand it the Neo and Saturn units cannot do what C-touch does

 

Remote scenes

We use the "lighting" application to trigger scenes in ctouch so that a neo etc can be used for normal lights and a scene trigigger.

We give the name like "Xtl bedtime", Xtl goingout" etc just to make then different to the other group names, then say in the garage the bottom two switch turn on the goingout and welcome home scenes in the ctouch.

Dave

 

I will go and prepare the blindfold

Supporting scene triggering on the lighting application was a necessary evil. It has been a VERY popular feature, but was really a short term work-around (aka Hack) to a problem (as Ashleigh has described).

Unless you have an in-depth understanding of the C-Bus protocol and the future developments it is probably not clear why it is such a bad thing. The intent is to not "pollute" applications with messages which are not designed for them. As C-Bus becomes more complex, this will become progressively more important.

 

I agree that it is better to do things the correct way and I look forward to when the range is organised according to Ashleigh's suggestion. BUT what are customers to do in the meantime? Presumably the older range of key input units(eg 2000 series) will never support switching 2 applications. Long live the hack!