v1.0 Keyboard input unit ....

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    MadMal

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    Can these devices still be used?

    I found an old one lying about .. connected it, but find the latest Toolkit can recognise it, change its network ID, but thats about it!

    Comes up with "No serial #" and "Unit TYpe Only - Serial Mismatch" errors.

    or is it just dead?

    NB: monitoring the network suggests the buttons are working as it is sending commands to the network.
     
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    daniel C-Busser Moderator

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    Hi MadMal,

    Congratulations on your archaeology expedition. That really is an old unit. In fact we don't even know the catalog number for it - if it ever had one!

    The KEYBOARD unit you have found is an original Mask 1 (v1.00) firmware and therefore does not have a serial number. The two errors you describe are a result of this but aren't necessarily fatal. The absence of a serial number makes it tricky, but not impossible, for the software to scan, identify and unravel these units.

    Certainly you should still be able to readdress it. There is no edit dialog set up for this unit type.
     
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    That unit must have a custom type in it if it really is V 1.00 firmware.

    unit type"KEYBOARD" only existed in pre-production versions. I have a file showing it in version 0.18, assembled in 1993.

    If you do have a V 0.18 unit, it would be a collector's item for sure as it is a full EEPROM part (not mask). There aren't many around.
    From memory, it would have different terminals at the back as well.

    if it is V1.00, it should be identical to KEY4 in Toolkit as far as configuration goes.
     
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    daniel C-Busser Moderator

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    Ah yes MadMal if you can tell us the actual unit type (I just assumed it was KEYBOARD) please do.

    And if you can't edit the unit I might be able to tell you how to accomplish that.
     
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    Back of the shed ...

    Yes, its fun to see what you find in the back of the shed, sometimes I wish I never started looking as I am now also looking for doco from the same vintage! I should really be doing something more productive!

    Yes, the terminals are original pre-production "industrial" types, almost old exchange or maybe LV couplers ...

    The EPROM on board is a Motorola 13x4 pin square removable IC (ie 52 pin, non SMC) - PN LSC422049FN.

    The actual installation is a 4 button unit looking something similar to the Series 2000 range ...

    Definately still working .. and yes, still addressable, (and re-addressable since it was at addr 20 which conflicted with my current dev network) ...

    Hitting the buttons gives output onto the bus and all seems to be working ok .. just for the life of me I cant recall how to progam the beastie .. and latest versions of Toolkit cant seem to either (as you have agreed and pointed out through a lack of dialogue for programming) ...

    I was thinking of playing through CGate, but getting lazy with the manuals and coding - thought someone may have some old doco easier to find than in my mess (sorry, very well structured, date based filing system - with its own data destruction mechanism with fur and 4 legs, or silver with 6!) ..
     
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    Praps you should sent it to Don to add to the C-Bus museum.
     
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    Museum?

    what me or the input device?

    probably more service left in the little white 4 button device than the crusty old f*rt behind the keyboard!
     
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    Hi MadMal,

    Assuming it is in fact a KEYBOARD unit type, I tried to hack around a solution for you to edit the unit just by modifying the cbusunit.xml file but was unsuccessful. There's something else hardcoded in Toolkit that prevents this. Sorry about that :(

    If you're keen to edit it, the only other thing I can suggest is to try the C-Bus Installation Software (precursor to Toolkit) which you can still download from our site.
     
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