I know that Clipsal advises installers to change the default password when they install a Wiser, but perhaps the system should force a change on initial installation. This recent article about Google - [URL]http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/australian-google-office-building-hacked-20130507-2j416.html[/URL] - prompted me to think about how online search engines could easily be used to locate Wiser's - many of which probably have default credentials Paul